BEE-L December 9th-13th 1993

BEE-L Discussion of Bee Biology

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Of These Archives.

"I understood that this was a list about bees. Please don't post
anything about wasps on this list" -- Malibu Skipper, Member of the Invasion Force

"I love a good joke just like the next guy...but 35 messages about
nothing?!? " -- frustrated Bee Biologist

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Date:         Thu, 9 Dec 1993 06:47:43 -0600
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From:         "Margaret A Plumbo (Phil & Peggy Plumbo)"
Subject:      Re: a fable about the origin of bees

>Merry Christmas,
>Liz Day

Thanks, Liz for that wonderful fable. We all loved it here.

-Phil Plumbo
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Date:         Thu, 9 Dec 1993 08:48:49 -0500
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From:         "Malcolm (Tom) Sanford,
              Florida Extension Apiculturist" <MTS@IFASGNV.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: Varroa resistance

Jerry Bromenshenk's observations remind me of the time when colonies in
the panhandle of Florida were decimated, presumably by tracheal mites...all
you could see was a blanket of crawlers that couldn't fly...a tracheal mite
vectored virus?

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Mailing Address: Bldg 970, Hull Rd., Gainesville, FL 32611-0620
Voice phone 904/392-1801, Ext. 143
FAX 904/392-0190
INTERNET: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU
BITNET: MTS@IFASGNV
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Date:         Thu, 9 Dec 1993 09:27:00 -0800
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From:         "Paul van Westendorp 576-5600 Fax: 576-5652"
              <PVANWESTEN@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: blue orchard bumblebee -Reply

For whoever requested the address and phone number of Brian Griffin;

    Brian Griffin               Ph. 206 733-3283
    Knox Cellars
    1607 Knox Avenue
    Bellingham, WA 98225
    U.S.A.

Regards,

    Paul van Westendorp
    Provincial Apiarist, BC
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Date:         Thu, 9 Dec 1993 04:49:00 EST
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From:         GIVE PEAS A CHANCE <LBRYNES@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: a fable about the origin of bees

Thanks to Liz for a lovely Bee fable!
        I would not be surprised--just a rippling baby shock--if there
        were not some "treed" relationship to Bee lore of the fertile
        crescent regions.

        eg. Near delphi there is an "omphalos" center--a navel of
        the Earth. Where the priestesses used to be sought as oracle
        to tell of the future and past. They sat on tri-legged stools
        near a spot where supposedly vapours rose from the Earth's
        warm heart. The omphalos is marked by beautifully carved
        domed artifacts. These are dome-hive shaped and decorated with
        carvings of Bees.

        The Bee was sacred to the early Great Mother Goddess and the
        Triple Goddess. And when she deigned in later years, she would
        allow the immortals to feed on nectar and ambrosia.

        The creation myth[s] that ground these life paradigms always
        narrate the life and its continuation--ala seasonal and
        metempsychosis--as chtonic: i.e. underworld as creative center
        with bees, snakes, piglets!, and figs as major players.

Thanks again Liz for making it a nice morning.

Lois

lbrynes@vax.clarku.edu
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 06:16:19 PST
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From:         "Conrad A. Berube" <uc779@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>
Subject:      Another fable

To continue along the lines started by Liz Day:

A story of eastern European origin probably derives from a
time when many gods were worshipped, later being altered to
conform with the Christian monotheistic concept.

          The devil was spying on God when He was creating
     the birds and insects. God took a bit of mist from the
     air, spun it in His fingers and called out the name of
     the new creature, "Bee!" And so the first bee was
     brought to life. The devil was a bit confused by what
     he saw and thought that God had called the creature
     into existence by telling it to "Be!" So when he tried
     a similar trick, gathering up a bit of clay from the
     earth and mixing it with his own sweat he told it to
     "Fly!" Of course, in this way it was not another
     beautiful bee that was formed but the ugly and pesky
     fly that, ever since, has plagued humans as much as bees
     have benefitted them.

(I've altered the "letter" of the story a bit to maintain its
spirit. In the original, Hungarian, version the word-play centers
on "legy" meaning both "become" and a "fly").

        -
       " `            Conrad Berube
       "   `           244 Linden Avenue
   _- -_`-_|'\ /`     Victoria, B.C.
_/ / / -' `~()()      V8V 4E5
\_\ _ /\-._/\/       (604)480-0223
       /   | |         email: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca.
      '`   ^ ^

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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 09:54:01 PST
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From:         Jane Beckman <jane@SWDC.STRATUS.COM>
Subject:      And a myth...

Bees also figure heavily in the Finnish cosmology.

In the Kalevala, the epic poem of creation of the world, doings of the gods
and heros of Suomi, etc., bees are sacred servants of the Finnish mother-
goddess.

In something like the Finnish version of the Osiris myth, her son
Lemminkaninen (the Finnish god of love and chaos, sort of an offhand Loki
sort) has done something stupid and gotten himself killed and his body
parts tossed into the bottom of the Whirlpool of Manala, the Finnish
equivalent of the river Styx. Mother rakes all the parts and pieces out of
the whirlpool, and sets about reassembling him. She calls in all the
departmentalized deities to knit back together flesh and bone, restore
blood and circulation, etc. When she is finished, she has a living shell
of her son, but the conciousness is absent. Conciousness is not the
province of earth-based gods; thought and conciousness belong to Ukko the
Unknowable, who dwells in the highest levels of Jumala (think of layered
heavens), and is beyond the reach and knowing even of the gods. So she
summons her servant, the bee, and tells him that he must fly to the highest
level of Jumala and bring back the honey that contains conciousness from
the realms of Ukko. (The female orientation of most bees wasn't known when
this myth was being created.)

So, with the blessings of the mother-goddess, the bee flies off to the
realms of Jumala. Higher and higher, he flies, beyond the realms reachable
by mortals, beyond the realms reachable by heros, beyond the realms reachable
by the gods themselves. In the highest levels reachable by the gods, he
stops to rest for a short while, for the journey is becoming arduous. Rested,
he flies onward, ever upward into more rarified realms, until finally, the
only one of all creatures to do so, he barely reaches the realm of Ukko the
Unknowable, and acquires three sips of the honey of conciousness. This he
stows in his honey stomach and flies back to the realms of gods and mortals.
There, he places the three sips of the honey of conciousness into the mouth
of Lemminkaninen, and the unwise and unruly god awakens again, his thought
and conciousness restored by the ministrations of the bee, unfortunately
none the wiser for his misadventure.

The bee, ever since, has been the only being of earth that has ever visited
the highest realms of Jumala, and returned with the experience of it. Thus,
it has a special place in the sacred cosmos, having an understanding of the
universe beyond that of the gods themselves.

--Jane Beckman [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 13:47:39 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: And a myth...

I don't know very much about Bee Biology, but I do think them little
fellers are cute, I surely do. Cept when they sting!

OWCHEEE!

Got anything like that on this here list?

EJ Ford

PS: Jane Beckman: that was a fascinating account of the myth cycle.
Please continue describing this! I enjoy analysis of any sort of
mythology, but Northern European Mythology is especially captivating!
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:17:20 -0500
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: And a myth...

>I don't know very much about Bee Biology, but I do think them little
>fellers are cute, I surely do. Cept when they sting!
>
>OWCHEEE!
>
>Got anything like that on this here list?
>
>EJ Ford

I understood that this was a list about bees. Please don't post
anything about wasps on this list.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:22:00 -0500
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Reply to Bees, bees, wonderfu (fwd)

After posting of my love of bees to another list, I recieved this deceitful,
slanderous reply:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 10 DEC 1993 13:05 -06
From: Dana Rollins <ROLLIDE@AUDUCADM.DUC.AUBURN.EDU>
To: LIBWCA@unix.cc.emory.edu
Subject: Reply to Bees, bees, wonderfu

I hate bees because bees killed my parents when I was three and we were
all on a picnic. I can still hear the screams. I was adopted by my
Aunt Bea, who insisted on breastfeeding me until I was 7, although I'd
been weened shortly after my first birthday. AS you can imagine, I am
pretty screwed up.

Merciful
--------End Forwarded Message--------

Bees did not kill your parents. Bees wouldn't do such a thing. Wasps
often disguise themselves as bees when undertaking such "wet work",
though, so I think you may be very foolish. Those were wasps!
If you had been there when the bee saved my life in 'Nam, you
wouldn't say such things.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:41:31 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Reply to Bees, bees, wonderfu (fwd)

Obviously, this level of lunacy will not be tollerated on this list!

Only a lunatic would imply that there is no reason to fear or respect
the destructive capacity of our apean amigos! Please take your loose
talk to another list, like FLN.

The NERVE.

EJ Ford
"Loves Wasps and Bees, in a Brotherly Sort of Way"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:00:04 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      COULD SOMEONE HELP ME?

I am writing a paper about wasps for a junior highschool biology
class and I was wondering if anyone could give me a list of
references about wasp attacks on humans.

Thanks! ;-)

EJ Ford
"I like hornets, too!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:08:18 -0500
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: COULD SOMEONE HELP ME?
In-Reply-To: <9F8CCFB6C6E@research01.adm.usf.edu>

On 10 Dec 1993 EJFORD@research01.adm.usf.edu wrote:

> I am writing a paper about wasps for a junior highschool biology
> class and I was wondering if anyone could give me a list of
> references about wasp attacks on humans.
>
> Thanks! ;-)
>
> EJ Ford
> "I like hornets, too!"

You are either very brave, or very stupid. If you continue this
project, you must prepare yourself for the possibility that you,
like many others who have tried to warn the American people about
the devious machinations of these foul, brutish creatures, will
meet your end at the hands (so to speak) of a vespoid "sting
squad".
Also, you should know that there is no such thing as a Hornet.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:14:46 -0500
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      So - you show your true colors
In-Reply-To: <9312101938.AA25771@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

and they are the hideous stripey hues of the vespoid terrorists! Do not
think that the death of Buzzy will go unavenged, Mr. Fnord - if that is
your real name. The evil that is Waspia will be defeated, and the hive
will be free once more! Free to buzz, buzz, buzz; all day long.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:30:13 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So - you show your true colors

I don't understand what the hell you are talking about!

I'm just a happy-go-lucky, yet preccocious twelve-year-old with a
passion for hyphens. I am just interested in writing a long
(three hundred word) paper about anything that can hurt people. I
was stung by curiousity when I was told that there were INSECTS (ew,
gross) that could make portions of your anatomy swell without sexual
stimulation, not that I would know anything about that, so don't ask.

EJ "Bucket of Bee-Guts" Fnord
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:28:27 -0500
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So - you show your true colors
In-Reply-To: <9312102026.AA05470@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1993, EJ Fnord wrote:

> I don't understand what the hell you are talking about!
>
> I'm just a happy-go-lucky, yet preccocious twelve-year-old with a
> passion for hyphens. I am just interested in writing a long
> (three hundred word) paper about anything that can hurt people. I
> was stung by curiousity when I was told that there were INSECTS (ew,
> gross) that could make portions of your anatomy swell without sexual
> stimulation, not that I would know anything about that, so don't ask.
>
> EJ "Bucket of Bee-Guts" Fnord
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Then why do you slander the bee? WHY DO YOU SLANDER THE BEE?
Keep yourself free of vespoid influence. Do not believe them
when they speak of hornets. Their foulest bit of chicanery
yet was the invention of the hornet - a mythical cousin to the
happy bee, yet treacherous and maniacal like the Wasps themselves.
When you see a hornet - run! It's a wasp in bee's clothing.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:22:00 -0800
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From:         John Gates 604 549-5580 <JGATES@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: blue orchard bumblebee

Please send me Brian Griffin's adress. I'd like to obtain a copy of his book.

John Gates, Apiculture Specialist
B.C. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
4607, 23rd. St. Vernon, B.C. Canada, V1T 4K7
Ph:( 604) 549-5580
fax:(604) 549-5488
Internet: JGates@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:01:26 EDT
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From:         Allison Freeman <AFREEMAN@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Reply to Bees, bees, wonderfu (fwd)

Guy, I don't know who all these NEW people are but they sure are
geeks. Everybody knows that bees/wasps/hornets exist merely as
symbols of the power over and imprisonment of this society by the
white male.

Fuck the System! Empower wymyn and minorities! EAT BEES!

Allison "Cha Cha the Maddog" Madman
(The name -- it's not a fucking joke)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:14:11 CST
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From:         Melanie Willis <GS0383@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      OK

ok 556D4E
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:34:20 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: OK

Kick ass! We got Melanie in the Haous!

EJ Fnord
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:33:43 EDT
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From:         EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: blue orchard bumblebee

I also would like a free copy of this book. Could someone tell me
where we could get one?

EJ Fnord
Book owner and Twelve-year-old
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From:         Jasdan Joerges <jasdan@SALK.EDU>
Subject:      Flaming etc.

Is this a Bee Biology list or a junk list????

Please stop these comments with zero information!
I guess that most people out there are not
interested in this.

J.Joerges
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:31:52 CST
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From:         Melanie Willis <GS0383@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      glad to be here

After finally breaking through the entrance requirements, I am happy to say I
have been formally accepted into your group. Now. The reason I am here. I
would like to know more about bees.

First of all, why do bees sting? Do they need blood like mosquitoes do?

Secondly, why do bees like to get in your hair?

Thirdly, why do bees like it when you wear perfume? Is their vision so poor
that they mistake you for a flower? Not that I mind that, it's just that when
on an outdoor date I like to smell good but at the same time I don't want to
attract any unwanted attention.

Also, and this may be a bit off the subject, but didn't John Belushi have some
sort of classic bee act on the old SNL? I remember a bunch of people in bee
outfits. Wasn't there something a little riske about it? Was it a
bee-coming-of-age type of skit?

I would appreciate anyone who can help me with these questions. It's not every
day that you have access to a collected pool of bee information. I guess I
could use the library, but that's too much trouble at this busy time of year.
So, thank you, very much.

MW
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 16:44:13 EDT
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From:         Allison Freeman <AFREEMAN@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Flaming etc.

> I guess that most people out there are not
> interested in this.
>
> J.Joerges
>

It would seem to me that you have probably not been elected to speak
for "most people". When you have, get back to me.

EJ Fnord (residing at Allison's house)
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 13:33:00 -0800
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From:         "Paul van Westendorp 576-5600 Fax: 576-5652"
              <PVANWESTEN@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Reply to Bees, bees, wonderfu (fwd)

Whoever You Are,

There is nothing cool or funny about the nonsensical messages being
distributed right now. Clean up your act or get off the system, will you!

    Paul van Westendorp
    Provincial Apiarist BC
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:43:00 CST
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From:         Melanie Willis <GS0383@SPRINGB.BITNET>
Subject:      one more thing

Also, are bees repelled by Deep Woods Off? I always feel safer when coated
with Off, but is that just a psychological security blanket sort of thing? Or
is it a fact of the matter? Is there anything I can do to make my whole back
yard repellent to bees? Is there anyway to kill them en masse? Is there any
way to make sure they don't come back? Just curious. MW
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From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      Re: glad to be here
In-Reply-To: <9312102137.AA20311@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>

On Fri, 10 Dec 1993, Melanie Willis wrote:

> After finally breaking through the entrance requirements, I am happy to say I
> have been formally accepted into your group. Now. The reason I am here. I
> would like to know more about bees.

Hello, Melanie! This is the most important list on the net, so far
as stopping the vespoid counter-intelligence coup, so PLEASE LISTEN
CAREFULLY!

>
> First of all, why do bees sting? Do they need blood like mosquitoes do?
>
Bees do not sting, as I have explained before. They sting only in
self defense. If you got stung by a bee, it was probably a wasp.
Bees do not need blood, as their circulatory systems are air-cooled.

> Secondly, why do bees like to get in your hair?

Because they like you! And you have nice hair! Don't worry, they won't
hurt you. Make sure they are REALLY bees, though.
>
> Thirdly, why do bees like it when you wear perfume? Is their vision so poor
> that they mistake you for a flower? Not that I mind that, it's just that when
> on an outdoor date I like to smell good but at the same time I don't want to
> attract any unwanted attention.

Bees have excellent vision, probably the best ever, and are very brave. If
you are afraid of flowers, don't worry - bees will help you.
>
> Also, and this may be a bit off the subject, but didn't John Belushi have some
> sort of classic bee act on the old SNL? I remember a bunch of people in bee
> outfits. Wasn't there something a little riske about it? Was it a
> bee-coming-of-age type of skit?
>
Very few HUMAN BEINGS know the full story behind Mr. Belushi's work with
the Bee Council, and how he died to stop the vespoids. Someday the full
story will be told.

Malibu Skipper
"Loves Bees! Hates Wasps!"
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:47:00 -0800
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From:         John Gates 604 549-5580 <JGATES@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Re: Varroa resistance

Hi Jerry!

Nice to communicate with you again. Your observation certainly fits with reports
from Europe about large numbers of bees leaving varroa infested hives before
they collapse. In your case I suppose it was too cold for them to go anywhere?
Are you familiar with the Tucson situation a couple of years ago documenting
apparent desertion of a honey bee colony heavily infested with the tracheal
mite? Did you test your bees for that beast?

John Gates, Apiculture Specialist
B.C. Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food
4607, 23rd. St. Vernon, B.C. Canada, V1T 4K7
Ph:( 604) 549-5580
fax:(604) 549-5488
Internet: JGates@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
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From:         scott lesser <LESSER@FAXON.COM>
Subject:      Re: OK
In-Reply-To: <01H6BK71NMQQ91VW3B@faxon.com>

>ok 556D4E

Melanie,

Send it to the LISTSERV, not the list, sis.

Kisses,

Your New & Improved Personal Kewpie Doll
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From:         Dave Pehling <CE6431@WSUVM1.BITNET>
Organization: WSU CAHE USER
Subject:      Orchard Mason Book

"The Orchard Mason Bee (Osmia lignaria propinqua Cresson) The Life
Histor-Biology-Propagation and Use of a Truly Benevolent and Beneficial
Insect
By: Brian L. Griffin, Illus. by Sharon Smith

Knox Cellars Publishing, Bellingham, WA

Write to Brian Griffin, Knox Cellars
1607 Knox Ave.
Bellingham, WA 98225

Last I heard, books were $9.95 U.S. plus $2.50 shipping

Dave Pehling

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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 21:31:41 PST
Reply-To:     uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Conrad A. Berube" <uc779@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>
Subject:      BEES IN SPACE...

Jane Beckman wrote about the legend of Laimenkainen in the
Kalevala (one of my favorites)-- the story may have some
connection with astronomical calendars regulating beekeeping
activities (for more on this subject and on bees in astronomy and
astrological lore see the July 1991 Griffith Observer (Journal of
the Griffith Observatory). The bee in the story eventually has
to fly over the Great Bear to obtain honey from the gardens of
heaven to revive the slain hero of the saga. In the general area
of the Great Bear, Ursa Major, can be seen the figure once
identified as Apis, the Bee (or Vespa, the Wasp). This
constellation is no longer officially recognized and has been
incorporated into the constellation Taurus, where the Pleiades
are found. These, Seven Stars are referred to in the epic poem,
the Kalevala and, interestingly enough, were themselves perceived
by the Chiriguana Indians of South America as a swarm of bees.
Other constellations, Apis Indica (the Indian Bee) and again,
Apis (or Apis Australis), were first charted in the southern
skies by Dutchmen Pietr Dirkz Keyser and Frederic de Houtman
between the years 1595-1597. The southern Apis is now known as
Musca (the Fly), and Apis Indica has become Apus, represented as
something similar to a humming bird.

--
uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 07:04:00 EST
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From:         GIVE PEAS A CHANCE <LBRYNES@CLARKU.BITNET>
Subject:      Re: COULD SOMEONE HELP ME?

I realize it is the close of the semester and the kiddies are
displacing pressure, BUT
        could the list owner PLEASE purge these folks from the list;
        the postmasters at their sites can do this easily.
        Thanks

Lois
lbrynes@vax.clarku.edu
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Date:         Fri, 10 Dec 1993 12:45:15 -0500
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From:         00bcpalmer@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      Midwest Conference

I am looking for speakers for the Midwest Animal Husbandry League Annual
Conference in February. Interested individuals please state the topic you
wish to discuss, and a brief VITA.

Thank you,
B. Clark Pollen "Mr. Pollen"
00bcpalmer@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 08:50:52 -0500
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From:         00bcpalmer@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      forwarded message/interested individual

From:   IN%"libwca@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu" "Bill Anderson" 10-DEC-1993 14:27:33.3
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From: Bill Anderson <libwca@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>
Subject: Bees, bees, wonderful bees!
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Folks, I love bees. Just love 'em. I like to hug 'em and kiss 'em, and
you know what? They never let me down. I'm their man, and they're my
Mrs. Why, if I see a bee startin' to cross a busy street, I walk right up
and help him! It's the kind of guy I am. A bee saved my life in 'Nam,
and I'll never be finished with my endless celebration of bees.
I hope that other people will send in their tales of kindness and universal
good will relating to our apidaen friends. This list has been a little
quiet lately. I'm beginning to fear that malignant wasps, implacable foes
of the happy bee, have been at work.

Malibu Skipper
Loves Bees!

ps- does anybody know of a list devoted to bees? Also, I'll be visiting
St. Louis next week - are there any good bee clubs in the Gateway City?
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 08:27:24 CST
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From:         Carol Jeffries <CJEFFRIE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      List Moderator

Would someone e-mail me the address of the moderator of this list
please.

Carol Jeffries
cjeffrie@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 09:37:21 -0500
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From:         00bcpalmer@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Subject:      Juvenalia

Dear Subscribers,

As you can see from my previous post, the "bee"-mania was not limited to
this list. I am of the opinion that it was a network-wide prank affecting
all BITNET sites. Did anyone else witness bee commentary exclusive of this
list?

I believe my request for those interested in speaking at an Animal Husbandry
Conference was lost in the shuffle of the sophomoricists.

The sunlight is lovely on my desk as I type this. Truly, I am the one and
only wondergod of the bees.

B. Clark Pollen "Mr. B. Pollen"
00bcpalmer@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 09:34:23 GMT
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From:         Brian Styles <brian.styles@MRC-BIOSTATISTICS.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: glad to be here

Well, how many of the list are glad that Melanie Willis is here...? Three
stupid non-sequiturs of the kind that arise in discussions in bars, followed
by an admission she's too idle to pick up a book "at this busy time of the
year". Why should it be any less busy for any of the rest of us?

-Brian Styles
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 09:31:52 GMT
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From:         Brian Styles <brian.styles@MRC-BIOSTATISTICS.CAMBRIDGE.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: Flaming etc.

It's less trouble to resign; I just have. All you need to do is mail
LISTSERV@ALBNYVM1 with "SIGNOFF BEE-L".

Frankly contributions such as "ok 556D4E", stupid mythological claptrap
and ignorant prattlings about stings are too much for any sane person's
mailbox.

- Brian Styles
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 08:39:47 PST
Reply-To:     uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Conrad A. Berube" <uc779@FREENET.VICTORIA.BC.CA>
Subject:      Responding to raiders on the newsgroup

I found some, not all, of the fecetious (that's an intentional misspelling,
by the way) postings to be more than irritating and forwarded them on to a
friend that I thought might be able to do something about them. If they
continue to appear it would seem that skipping over any postings from the
offending parties would be the most Ghandian alternative. Next to that
you could forward the messages to the sysop at their point of origin and
ask that action be taken. Here is a portion of the response I received
from my friend:

>Date: Sat Dec 11 08:37:53 1993
>From: MNTENBE@*******.*****.FBI.GOV (Mary Ntenbe)
>Subject: Junkmail to your newsgroup
>
>C,
>
>In regards to the messages you forwarded.
>
>I authorized a trace and at least one of the individuals sending
>them appears to be using an alias.
>
>Most of the messages appear innocuous. A couple contain rhetoric
>that could be considered as contravening federal hate-mail
>regulations. You are correct in assuming that sexist, in this case
>anti-male, hate-mail is covered by these laws. Keep forwarding me
>the offensive messages and I will append them to the respective
>files. At the very least this documentation may result in the
>suspension of Internet privileges for the offending parties and
>possible black-listing from graduate schools or government employ
>(if they ever apply for such), if not stricter censure.
>
>I agree that all of the messages are irritating but remember you
>can always check the message header and skip over postings from
>the individuals involved. One individual's security file shows
>fairly extensive psychological counseling, so you may wish to
>factor this into your tolerance threshold.
>
>Take care,
>
>Mary
>
>MNTENBE@*******.*****.***.GOV
>

"Ignorance is bliss" (yes, I know that's only a portion of the quote) so
maintain your bliss by ignoring the irritating postings.

Conrad

--
uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:29:54 -0500
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From:         00bcpalmer@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Subject:      Re: alt.talk.bizzare

Dear Sir,

IT has come to my attention that you are comparing the recent discourse on
BEE-L to a USENETNEWS group linguistic-style.

I feel it only relevant to point out that Ms. Freeman's Colorful (snicker) use
of the English language is frighteningly symptomatic of what Christopher
Norris in _Uncritical Theory: Postmodernism, Intellectuals, and the Gulf War_
U Mass Press, 1992:

        "the liberal ironist ... who has followed Rorty in abandoning all
         those delusive truth-claims that were once thought to distinguish
         'philosophy' (or 'theory') from other, less demanding, fields of
         thought."

If you are not ready in the field of bee anatomy and the discussion thereof
to allow for non-delusive linguistic representations of reality such as my
cousin, Ms. Freeman/Madman, perhaps you should rethink bee anatomy in light
of the new scholarly paradigm which allows for such terms as "wymyn" and
"f***ing".

To compare her comments, a meta-commentary on the complexities of anatomy,
at it's most sociopsychologically basic frontier, to the USENET discourse
of an fictional alt.bizzare (or what-have-you) shows the same lack of dis-
crimination of an individual who would say USENET discourse is in some way
comparable to the Internet Relay Chat (or IRC), and this wild weilding of
Occam's razor, sir, most certainly misses the most scholarly and expressionist
values of Ms. Freeman's commentary (as outlined above).

Let us hope you are not so quick to dismiss the possibility of scientific
empathy for the object under study when you are dissecting the Apoidea
Hymenoptera.

Sincerely,
B. Clark Palmer
deconstucting the hive
00bcpalmer@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 11:47:12 -0500
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         00bcpalmer@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Subject:      garbled post

A recent post I wrote responding to an anonymous gentleman was somewhat
garbled. Please forgive me for the waste-of-bandwidth, and if you are
not interested in participating in this semi-flame war, please note I took
great care to be as complete as possible in my response, including a
citation. But nothing will be lost to the deaf if you delete this post now,

sincerely, bcp

--------------------------- resend of response post ------------------------

Dear Sir,

IT has come to my attention that you are comparing the recent discourse on
BEE-L to a USENETNEWS group linguistic-style.

Let us hope you are not so quick to dismiss the possibility of scientific
empathy for the object under study when you are dissecting the Apoidea
Hymenoptera.

Sincerely,
B. Clark Palmer
deconstucting the hive
00bcpalmer@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 12:31:23 -0500
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         00bcpalmer@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Subject:      regarding government involvement

It would see in lieu of a light heart, the proper response against
those invading the BEE-L list would be the Ghandian approach, at the very
least. But someone has gone beyond the just and temperate flame or two and
delved into issues which are painful to those with the Peter Pan still in
them.
My wife passed the written, oral, and subsequent interview portions
of the foreign service exam. Her sole reason for being disqualified was for
my mental health problems. Thus when the gentleman/woman writes:

>One individual's security file shows
>fairly extensive psychological counseling, etc.

I am reminded of the very torment that has driven me to a like on the
Internet. that should be "life" and not "like"...

Anyway, you bee people are cruel. Far crueler than any sophomoric
invasion warrants. I hope you feel smug and well-adjusted and smart.
I will unsub.

        Brent Clark Palmer
        This same samn .gov better give me disability
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 13:29:21 -0500
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Bill Anderson <libwca@EMORYU1.CC.EMORY.EDU>
Subject:      The Bee Cycle comes to an end...

I'm stunned, really, at how seriously all this is being taken. We
are but a poor troup of wandering minstrels, who had hoped to provide
you with a moment's light-hearted entertainment - and yet we are met
with scorn and threats, and the debilitating mental illness of one of
our number is heartlessly derided. Ah, well - we go now, and shall
trouble you no more. If we've given offense, we humbly beg your
pardon.

Malibu Skipper
"Not Entirely Certain How He Feels About Bees Anymore"

Note - The Bee-Mythology Woman, who's post I found sincerely intriguing,
       is not among our number, although she is welcome to join if she
       chooses.
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 13:48:59 -0500
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From:         00bcpalmer@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU
Subject:      a parting poem from the insane person you hurt

I accidentally took an overdose (slight) of one of my medications,
so perhaps I'm over-reacting, but here is a parting poem.

This is art, not "hate mail":

Bees have no hearts
They only stings
Your Queen has wings, but
My mind has wings,
Bee people have no hearts

except the bee-myth lady and the bees in space person

b<p>
ashamed that my name stands for "bee pollen," but I suppose I've been treated
as bees treat pollen, picked up along the way from a fresh ideal flower, and
kicked off like dust from their feet.

adieu cruel world of bees
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 07:43:46 -0500
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Dave D. Cawley, a De Leon Socialist" <DDC1@JAGUAR.UOFS.EDU>
Subject:      Wasted Resources

> From: EJ Fnord <EJFORD@RESEARCH01.ADM.USF.EDU>
> EJ Fnord
> Book owner and Twelve-year-old

I'm suprised you're *that* old judging by your maturity level. Sure
I love a good joke just like the next guy...but 35 messages about nothing?!?
I thinkn that's a little excessive, don't you?

BTW, I like the mythology thread.

BTW2, Anybody out there near North East PA who has anything (equipment
wise ) they'd like contribute to a starting beekeeper please drop me a line.
Thanks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave D. Cawley            |     My attitude toward everyone's sexual
University Of Scranton    |     persuasion is this: without deviation
ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu      |     from the norm, progress is not possible.
ddc1@SCRANTON             |                             -Frank Zappa
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 08:17:05 -0500
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Dave D. Cawley, a De Leon Socialist" <DDC1@JAGUAR.UOFS.EDU>
Subject:      Bee Questions-Where to Get Answers

> From: Melanie Willis <GS0383%SPRINGB.bitnet@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU>
> After finally breaking through the entrance requirements, I am happy to say I
> have been formally accepted into your group. Now. The reason I am here. I
> would like to know more about bees.

Your best source of answers to all those questions (minus the john
belushi one) is FIRST LESSONS IN BEEKEEPING. You can get it in the library and
should take about 2 hours to read. Or you can buy it from Dadant and Sons for
$2.95. They have a 1-800 number that can be obtained by dialing 1-800-555-1212
and asking the operator for the number.

Feel free to be back to us *AFTER* you've read that book.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave D. Cawley            |     My attitude toward everyone's sexual
University Of Scranton    |     persuasion is this: without deviation
ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu      |     from the norm, progress is not possible.
ddc1@SCRANTON             |                             -Frank Zappa
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Date:         Sat, 11 Dec 1993 14:41:25 -0500
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         00bcpalmer@BSUVAX1.BITNET
Subject:      The Privacy Act and BEE-L : last post

This is a copy of the message to the minstrels:

You guys,

Let me just take a moment to drop out of any .net persona and say, what was
the deal with that BEE-L person forwarding mail from a government source?

As a member of the DNC, and delegate to the last National Convention, I
wonder whether I should bring it to the attention of the DNC (Democratic
National Committee) that people are using other people to access my and
your security files. Sure, the person didn't name names, (that we *know*
of), but given the small number of us on BEE-L, the finger-pointing was
pretty limited.

I am shocked into believing most of everything Foss ever wrote.
And I am home alone with the baby today, with the wife out of town,
glad I can put sentences together, but barely functioning.

I think I'll send this note to BEE-L and then UNSUB, so they know
that matters of privacy, undecided in the interpretation of the
United States Constitution, and matters of just common ethics are
at stake. I think they should also know that just because I am a
donkey, that I also have serious problems which made a government-backed
insult, albeit true, a bit too much for me to bear today.

I really would like an apology from the person who thought it would
be funny to have the government investigate us and me. It's really
a rather extreme gesture.

What do you all think, ladies and gentlemen? At the very least, I am
calling the Social Security office first thing Monday morning. And I
am keeping that note with the anonymous government source.

Well, spring is here in a big way, I guess. The ultimate enemy punches
me in the face. I guess I played the fool/Hermie after all.

Brent <Pollux>
00bcpalmer@bsuvc.bsu.edu
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Date:         Sun, 12 Dec 1993 18:39:42 -0500
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         BARBARA PARKER <barbara.parker@LIBRARY.UMASS.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Flaming etc.
In-Reply-To: <01H6CLHB58UA002JBS@pobox.ucs.umass.edu> from "Brian Styles" at
              Dec 11, 93 09:31:52 am

Amen, and thanks for your honesty! Enough,already. I'm signing off too.

--
barbara.parker@library.umass.edu
Amherst, MA 01003
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too
dark to read."-- Groucho Marx
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Date:         Sun, 12 Dec 1993 19:07:16 -0500
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Mike Griggs <mhg3@CORNELL.EDU>
Subject:      unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date:         Mon, 13 Dec 1993 09:12:05 -700
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Chris Conroy <cconroy@MIT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: So - you show your true colors

I just have to add that the recent postings have really brought this
group to life!

Chris
"Hoping to love bees this spring"
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Date:         Mon, 13 Dec 1993 09:53:59 CST
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Carol Jeffries <CJEFFRIE@UKANVM.BITNET>
Subject:      List moderator

Would someone please send me the e-mail address of the list moderator
for bee-l.

CJ
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Date:         Mon, 13 Dec 1993 11:14:40 EST
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Aaron Morris <SYSAM@ALBANY.BITNET>
Subject:      Unwelcomed invasion.

I must confess that the recent postings to BEE-L have been less informa-
tive than that to which I've been accustomed. Fortunately for me, I have
been away for a few days and have not had to deal with the posts until
this morning. Things seemed to settle down around Sunday, and I hope
the noise has left the bee biology discussion list. Although I am not
the moderator of BEE-L, I will alert the POSTMASTer at our site to the
unwelcomed noise on the list and request that he take action if need be.
I apologize for the drivel that has been coming from BEE-L lately and
request that legitimate subscribers remain subscribed. Please don't
signoff based on a day or two of noise posted by a few who are not
inclined to honor the mores of the Internet. BEE-L has been violated
by a few unwelcome guests. Don't make the list suffer further by
removing yourself!
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Date:         Mon, 13 Dec 1993 10:09:17 PST
Reply-To:     Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Jane Beckman <jane@SWDC.STRATUS.COM>
Subject:      Re: Flaming etc.

As a beekeeper and professional person (although in the computer field, not
in my chosen degree of biology) of a sober 40 years, I resent being lumped
with the sophmoric claptrap of the net kiddies, simply because I contributed
a myth from the legends of my ancestors in Finland.

I realize that the traffic on the net has been a strain on the nerves of us
all, lately (none the less because it has been cluttering up a work mailbox
that has been getting several dozen bug reports a day), but could we resist
the temptation to insult those of us who have serious asperation after
knowledge, but merely have contributed something other than varroa reports
to the list? (Not that I don't find the varroa reports interesting.)

I think it is sad that folks have had to resign this list merely to escape
the net.kiddies who have discovered a new toy to amuse themselves and
annoy others. I expect that this posting will result in lots of mail from
the kiddies, who will now decide to annoy ME. My advice to them is to
attempt to find a life, hard as that may be. Maybe even get a degree in
biology or something.

Thank you. Peace on earth, good will to humanity and the genus Apis.

Jane Beckman [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
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Date:         Mon, 13 Dec 1993 10:26:46 -0800
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Teri Rhan {FMO} <trhan@CAC.WASHINGTON.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Flaming etc.
In-Reply-To: <9312131810.AA28869@mx1.cac.washington.edu>

Thanks Jane for your interesting story. I personally enjoyed it and will
be sharing it with the beekeepers club meeting next week. As for the
kiddie play, it only takes a second of scanning to tell me when it's time
to hit the "Delete" key. No problem.

Teri
"I'm still here"

On Mon, 13 Dec 1993, Jane Beckman wrote:

> As a beekeeper and professional person (although in the computer field, not
> in my chosen degree of biology) of a sober 40 years, I resent being lumped
> with the sophmoric claptrap of the net kiddies, simply because I contributed
> a myth from the legends of my ancestors in Finland.
>
> I realize that the traffic on the net has been a strain on the nerves of us
> all, lately (none the less because it has been cluttering up a work mailbox
> that has been getting several dozen bug reports a day), but could we resist
> the temptation to insult those of us who have serious asperation after
> knowledge, but merely have contributed something other than varroa reports
> to the list? (Not that I don't find the varroa reports interesting.)
>
> I think it is sad that folks have had to resign this list merely to escape
> the net.kiddies who have discovered a new toy to amuse themselves and
> annoy others. I expect that this posting will result in lots of mail from
> the kiddies, who will now decide to annoy ME. My advice to them is to
> attempt to find a life, hard as that may be. Maybe even get a degree in
> biology or something.
>
> Thank you. Peace on earth, good will to humanity and the genus Apis.
>
> Jane Beckman [jane@swdc.stratus.com]
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Date:         Thu, 16 Dec 1993 11:11:13 -0500
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Holly J Ferguson <hferguso@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU>
Subject:      Thanks for info,etc.

Dear bee-netters,

Thanks for all who replied to my plea for hand-rearing information. I hope
that I won't have to go to that extreme for my project because the diets
apparently haven't been worked out fully for rearing baby queens and drones.

And. . .

I'm sorry to bring this up item up but with all the talk about security files
and gov't involvement (which I deemed quite useful information for any netter),
I thought I needed to mention a recent bit in *Science*, Dec. 3, 1993, p. 1503.

brief cite: "a biotechnology company in Beaverton, Oregon, which has sued a St.
Louis securities broker for alleged defamatory statements made by e-mail. . . "

Take-home msg: Electronic forums are NOT privileged! Be careful with your
electronic tongues.

BTW, have a HOLLY JOLLY Christmas!

Sincerely,

Holly Ferguson
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Date:         Thu, 16 Dec 1993 08:20:55 -0800
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From:         Richard Spear <rspear@SOOKIT.JPL.NASA.GOV>
Subject:      varroa effects
In-Reply-To: <01H6JGXD29G29GVWAB@HAMLET.CALTECH.EDU>

hi -
the bees have absconded from my single (hobby) hive . . . my local expert
tells me that it's because of varroa mites. this has made honey collection
particularly easy this year! some questions . . .

are the supers and frames usable for a a new nuc?
is there a source for varroa resistant bees?
what is the best treatment for varroa? are the strips effective?

btw, the hive is in tujunga canyon in southern california (this is for
those people interested in tracking this parasite).

regards - richard

rspear@sookit.jpl.nasa.gov
all disclaimers apply
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Date:         Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:59:13 CST6CDT
Reply-To:     Bajema@dordt.edu
Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Duane H. Bajema" <BAJEMA@DEFENDER1.DORDT.EDU>
Organization: Dordt College
Subject:      FEEDING BEES THAT ARE NEED STARVATION

I have 6 hives that need supplemental feeding. I have made what I
call "sugar cakes" or others call them candy boards by heating sugar
mixed with water. My first problem is that I have lost the recipe.
Can anyone help me out?

Secondly, my memory indicates that the process of making the cakes is
messy and sometimes not always successful. The cakes were placed on
the top frames so that the bees would have a supplemental food source.

IS THERE A BETTER WAY? Any ideas would be appreciated.
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Duane H. Bajema                     e-mail bajema@dordt.edu
Agriculture Department              712/722-6275 office
Dordt College                       712/722-1198 FAX
Sioux Center, IA 51250
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Date:         Thu, 16 Dec 1993 10:28:00 -0800
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299"
              <KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA>
Subject:      Feeding bees in winter

I don't have the candy recipe handy, but there are other options. Which will
work depends on how weak the colony is and how cold the weather is.

If the colony is indeed near starvation this early in the winter, it may take a
lot of attention, and still be unlikely to survive. If there are still lots of
bees they should use frames of honey either moved over toward the cluster, or
moved in from another hive (warming the frames indoors might help). Try not to
disturb the cluster too much. Even warm syrup poured onto the face of an empty
comb will resuscitate a near starving colony, but in a cold climate I wouldn't
expect much success if you had to resort to it this early (the extra water, and
another 2-3 months of confinment may be hard on the bees).

Some people like feeding dry sugar, but usually as emergency or "insurance"
feeding. In the simplest form, poke a few bee-sized holes in a bag of granulated
sugar and place the bag over the hole in the inner cover. Stronger colonies
sometimes clean out these bags of sugar quite well (though some sugar may fall
to the bottom board or be thrown out the entrance). Weak colonies may starve in
spite of the dry sugar, but some may survive if their cluster is near the inner
cover hole (and the sugar supply lasts).

All in all, it's better to feed in fall.

good luck
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Date:         Thu, 16 Dec 1993 17:14:01 -0700
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Sender:       Discussion of Bee Biology <BEE-L@ALBNYVM1.BITNET>
From:         Jerry J Bromenshenk <jjbmail@SELWAY.UMT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: varroa effects
In-Reply-To: (null)

I am most interested in your report of bees leaving the hive because of
Varroa mites. As I indicated a couple of weeks ago, it appears that this
may have happened to one of my hives in an indoor flight chamber. Between
Sunday afternoon and early Monday, every bee in a nucleus colony of about
2000 bees left the hive, although they had been in the hive/chamber for
more than two months and had plenty of food in the hive. Almost all of
the bees died in the flight tube - outside of the hive. None of the
survivors returned to the hive.

This behavior has been reported for tracheal mites. In this case, we
found no evidence of tracheal mites, but did find a heavy Varroa infestation.

Another hive in the same room in an adjacent flight chamber is still doing
fine, although it also has Varroa.

One of the more interesting aspects of this event was that the bees
carried??? almost all of the hive debris out with them, presumably before
they died. Whether the bees died of Varroa, starvation (because of a lack
of food in the flight tunnel - although they had food in the hive and
presumably could have returned to it), or stress of trying to get out of
the flight tube (an impossibility since the tube is not connected to the
outdoors) is unknown.

Bill Wilson, USDA, Weslaco, TX reports anecdotal reports of bees leaving
hives in Texas, possibly because of Varroa. He thinks that the mites will
not live more than a few days without bee hosts. We are checking our
equipment to see if that is the case.

If anyone has hard evidence that Varroa can cause bees to exit the colony,
I would like to know about it. Also, any ideas of why they would all
leave at once and then suddenly die??? I would expect them to:

1) Leave and fly off
2) Crawl out and die
3) Slowly die and drop to the bottom of the hive where they may be thrown
out by housekeeping bees

In our case, they couldn't fly off. They all died fairly fast, because
the bees had not started to rot (which they do in just a few hours at room
temperature). The hive debris in the flight tube was a real surprise.
How did it get there????

Over the preceeding two months, bees flew from the nucleus hive to feeders
in the flight chamber. Die off was very low, a few each day. At nights,
the foragers in the flight tube went back to the hive. In the morning,
they came out again. They transferred honey back to the hive and
stored/consumed it in the hive. Flight activity was somewhat low and
after a couple of weeks, many of the bees elected to walk between the
feeder and the hive rather than fly (but they were certainly able to fly
if released from the tube). The only thing that we did different just
before they left the hive and died in the tube was to gradually extend the
day-light period from about 10 hours (the daylength here in Montana at
this time of year) to 16 hours. We were hoping to turn the queen's
egg-laying back on, since our queens pretty much shutdown at this time of
year.

Any thoughts will be appreciated.

Thanks

Jerry Bromenshenk
Univ. MT
jjbmail@selway.umt.edu
406-243-5648
Fax 4184

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