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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 04:54:58 -0500
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From: moores7518
Subject: Re: ashes
> scotto and jabber: seing as neither zeek or geoge has spoken up in awhile, i
> seem to remember be nominated as the other presidential candidate, andi
> don't want the job, so top your bickering, and return to your previous
> positions of religious and societal comentators (i'm being liberal withmy
> wording-use the extra space).
>
> ai
The only previous position I remember was flat on my back with my legs onthe
air. And I don't want to talk about that any more.
Geez, all the old hipsters take off, and suddenly Fnord has nothing to sayto
itself. HAVEN'T WE LEARNED A DAMN THING? This is a rhetorical question, of
course. Anyone care for a donut?
Your pal,
Scotto
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 11:23:54 -0500
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From: 00bcpalmer
Subject: termites
majcher,
so busy exterminating roaches [the precursor to this planet's predominate
species several million years from now] so busy silencing the foragers of
the ding dongs on the floor
now you left with termites
termites, time, and nothing more
Zeus is dead; this is Chronos' returning: the gas giant, no lighnuping bolts
no flames below.
congratulations on now enjoying this dissolution of the house
substance with no substance, substance devoured, this is the truest fluff,
the term of Ite, ... somehow I hear you saying, you who are a projection ofme
they are all insects, they are all insects, all attracted to the light
and you are the light, and the goats reject you, and the sheep remain
the termite sheep
artfaggishingly yours, the distinguished gentleman from bakersfield : b[h]p
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 19:26:25 EST
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From: "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: experiment if you take this crap seriously which failed
Dear Melanie,
The listowner's intervention which, as previously noted, having been
immanent in and constrained by the convergence of esthetic forces, has
failed to attain its objective, a very strong probability at the outset.
Of course, it is certain that, had the listowner been fully cognizant of
his substantive esthetic objective, he could not possibly have carried
out the experiment itself, neither as noble as he perforce had to maintain
to himself, nor a fortiori the other thing, either. The other thing would,
were it the case here, entail inter alia base and vulgar power tripping,
always present if we deem it necessary that life go on (and on this account
the purgees' charges could hardly miss), yet so seldom representing the
full content of anything. When you come down to it, had he been fully
conscious of why he was listowner to begin with, he could not have been
listowner; but that's how we live in microideological space, so that life,
if you want to call it that, and after a fashion, goes, so to speak, on.
Scotto, an honest and percipient young man, is justifiably pessimistic,
if his literarily tragic vision is misplaced.
Melanie, is that quite clear to you? Well, it is not at all clear to me.
One reason I said all that was, I just filed away 285 pieces of e-mail,
over half from FNORDish and kindred sources, though none from an out and
out *human*, if you know what I mean. None, certainly, from you. It has
gradually dawned on me that you despise me even more than I'd intended you
to when I told you whateveritwas I told you, which happened to be true,
that's all.
The 285 pieces of e-mail had piled up, faster than my lethargic efforts
at cleaning it up, during the period of Drug abstinence from Nov 4 to Nov12;
there remain 44 tabs, representing slightly more pills than I strictly need
to run at full speed to the next prescription-dispensing session with Dr A
on Wednesday. During that nine-day period, when aggregate Drug intake fell
to four NoDoz daily plus all the Pepsi I could drink and all the ciggies I
could smoke, I could move my body barely in the morning and not at all later
in the day: Increase in severity of symptoms was attributed to emphysema.
Managed to go without ciggies for 30 hour period, this helped by nausea. But
when willpower had to enter the picture, good bye. Is this not creepy.
Regards,
Daniel A. Foss
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 20:02:30 -0400
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From: Lee Newman <GN4917 >
Subject: Re: ashes
do any meaningful conversations ever go on in this list, or is all this
leadership shit a normal thing? Or is this just a political problem of
the times, if so I elect myself just to make the rule that no one else
can be ruler so we can get down to business.
-Lee
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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1993 20:13:41 EST
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From: "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: you want a one word answer lee newman or what
My mind has taken a vacation or retired during this historical period,
therefore to circumvent quibbling and decisionmongering, in a word, NO.
The chance always exists that the mind will resuscitate, notwithstanding
the body is dying; or that some young'un will carry on from where I fell,
but fat chance any of these Organisms are even gonna bury the corpse. One
thing I accomplished during my tenure, I'll tell ya, which was, I banished
any mention of that senile dementia case Leary and that vapid epigone,Richard
Anton Wilson, if that's his name; observe the semicolons; along with all
other even more obsolete than me sixtiesish trash. Who was it, today, wasit,
denounced my friends the semicolons?
Now should the mind come back, this it might do minus messianicdelusions,
which I find tiresome this week, so your answer would still be NO. Not to
mention, anyone using the word Meaningful has Problems.
Your "bottom line," anyhow, is, NO.
Daniel A. Foss
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:39:23 -0500
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From: Jabberwocky <bwmatteo >
Subject: list response
What happened? well a couple oldtimers left and took their toys with them. SoI
guess us youngsters have taken over. There is zeek, our residentmeglomaniac,
Hermie, I don't know what the hell he is, Jerky, our resident politicalcomment-
ator (or whatever), Foss, Iguess he's an oldtimer but we keep him around cuzhe
shur does talk pretty, there are other guys like z, scotto, scott and ej(lurki-
ng somewhere). So thats our big happy loving family.
What usually happens? I don't know I'm still trying to figure that out...
-Beamish
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 15:18:32 -0500
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From: moores7518
Subject: wisdom from Foss
> Scotto, an honest and percipient young man, is justifiablypessimistic,
> if his literarily tragic vision is misplaced.
Misplaced? I didn't know you were familiar with my literarily tragicvision,
Dr. Foss. But at any rate, it's not misplaced, it's right over here. Ha.
>
> Melanie, is that quite clear to you? Well, it is not at all clear tome.
> One reason I said all that was, I just filed away 285 pieces of e-mail,
> over half from FNORDish and kindred sources, though none from an outand
> out *human*, if you know what I mean. None, certainly, from you. It has
> gradually dawned on me that you despise me even more than I'd intendedyou
> to when I told you whateveritwas I told you, which happened to be true,
> that's all.
Well, here's an honest and percipient question, Foss: why the hell do somany
people hate you? I don't get it. Of course, I've never actually seenanyone
claim this; only heard you tell us that that was the case. But. I don'tget
it anyway. I've not corresponded often with you, although I have spokenhighly
of you to a friend who is In The Biz. I've in fact not corresponded withyou
at all, have I? Except that one time, right? I dunno. I don't see whereHate
comes into it. What does it all Mean, huh, huh?
I won't bury your corpse, Foss, or anyone else's. I will, however, properly
and justly use your corpse as the Best Damn Footstool I ever saw, yours andall
the other Lost Fnordians. Hell, 'member that guy that played the Kirk-ishpart
before Shatner got his grubbies on it? That's what happened here; somenoble
gang of toughs took over this turf, made it safe from the P.R.s if you know
what I mean, and now, we, their joyous flower children, get to take over,take
drugs, and take each other out to the Bonanza every Friday. And as long as
we're giving each other fiefdoms and what not, I nominate myself as theRoyal
Fnordian Tax Collector. Pay the fuck up, I need some Mad Dog, dig?
Your pal,
Lord Scotto, Duke of Leriland
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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1993 16:48:25 -0500
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From: moores7518
Subject: Re: list response
> What happened? well a couple oldtimers left and took their toys with them.So
I
> guess us youngsters have taken over. There is zeek, our residentmeglomaniac,
> Hermie, I don't know what the hell he is, Jerky, our resident political
comment-
> ator (or whatever), Foss, Iguess he's an oldtimer but we keep him aroundcuz
he
> shur does talk pretty, there are other guys like z, scotto, scott andej
(lurki-
> ng somewhere). So thats our big happy loving family.
You forgot Lassie, Marcia, Cindy, that adorable Tony Danza, the effluvient
Steve Guttenberg, and of course, Percy the Water Buffalo.
>
> What usually happens? I don't know I'm still trying to figure thatout...
Ha ha, looks like our secret code is working, everybody!
I don't know what the hell "usually" means anyhow.
Your pal,
Scotto
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:18:41 EDT
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From: EJ Fnord <EJFORD>
Subject: Re: wisdom from Foss
Dear Timmy,
Please except my kind condolences for joining this poor but hallowed
hall at this low point in time. While the wee laddies and lasses are
attempting to make a brave show of carrying on in their own unique
way, tough-minded and proud, they have lost sight of the
incomprehensible nonsense that made this list strong, despite the
massive headcolds everyone caught. The echo's of that headcold
linger on today.
And what caused those wacky pioneers to pick up their ball and move
on? What caused the youngsters to be thrust into the fire
prematurely, without even having been imitated once by the ass-
kicking old-gaurd?
They were all unsubscribed from the list by the sysop.
This cowardly and admittedly silly act was prompted by a general
failure on the part of anyone with any brains on this list to waste
so much as a line on the goofy and now outmoded thinking of Tim Leary
and RAW. Mind you, they are good writers at times, but why talk
about the past when the name of the list is "New Ways of Thinking."
Tim, nevermind this list. Correspond with Zeke and Scotto directly,
making side-forrays into the personal email of the other lads and
lasses.
EJ "the Title Character" Fnord
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 08:18:07 -0500
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From: 00bcpalmer
Subject: Flintstone's Analogy
Alas, FNORD-L appears filling my mailbox this morning a society of Barneys
who have lost their Freds. Lest one of you young uns mistake the Barneys
for the purple dinosaur, I am referring to the dum-witted pardner of Freds
no longer among us. I, am actually more of a Pebbles, EJ is the last Fred,
and Foss, of course, is the Great Gazoo (the Martian miracle worker who they
called out to and who always showed up to help but was real real moody,though
powerful [obligatory nested phrase within the punctuation]), but mostly I am
reading Barneys, the Wilmas and Bettys are gone, and where, do tell, isDino,
the *original* purple dinosaur ... ?
This is but a shadowtown, not a Bedrock with nary a quarry, this is Cotrock,
summer camp, lame campfire stories, yet I will be patient and wait it ou;t
(Yes [I know] how Jehovahesque).
I have picked up the broken harp of life and sang the Banshees song
Brent the Lamenter [H]<p> <--- the *first* to include punctuation inname
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 09:13:47 EDT
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From: EJ Fnord <EJFORD>
Subject: Re: oh no
Zeeeeeeeeke (note correct pronunciation!),
Careful with that pixie repellant. MARS is actually fairly swift.
And he's cute as a button, too.
Say, kids, let's all try to be friends, hunh? I mean, except for the
obvious losers. Those of you who are hip will be recieving this
month's "Obvious Loser List" any day now!
Zeeeeeke (note incorrect pronunciation), play "Melancholy Baby" for
me again, would you? Thanks. Just beat the tune out on my skull.
EJ "Mr. Freeze" Fnord
Motto: Zat's ze vay ze gookie grumbles, Batman!
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 13:51:21 EST
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From: "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: experimentally as with most experiments as you well know
zeek,
this one failed. Under conditions of indisputable stagnation, right? you
had to, it was historically inevitable that you would, right? have to do
the kind of drastic thing you did, if any organism was in a position to
do it, that is. As opposed to, say, the list mightabeen immune to organismic
intervention altogether; but it so happens that the listowner coulda done
something about it; elsewise the list woulda, mighta, perseverated,humanlike,
in an operationalization of Moribund Culture forever, right? (That was a
CHANGE /simulacrum/operationalization to disambiguate what was empirically
observed from anything Baudrillardian, you know. I have Baudrillard's
Simulations, 1983, right here, and the hyperreal is a lot more interesting,
and fun, too, than what's been on the screen, previously and now, meincluded.)
Secondly, Scotto cannot do it all, even if you work him double shifts. I
mean, he does have a full time job on the other channel, right? (For myself,
I'm too far gone to post on the grownup channels anymore. FNORD useta bejust
as hard, but in a different way, you know?)
So tell the infobot to shut the list off. This is what is done when an
experiment has been deemed to ~worked. It is relegated to the state of
~z, or dead. This is technically called e-euthanasia, as of this post.
No exaggeration, many lists are more alive than the people on them. Not
this one.
Another experiment can always be done later, right? This is known,
scientifically, as serendipity, right? since the cost-effectiveness and
program-evaluation consultants objected to trial-and-error and fishing
expeditions.
Question, how many serendipities make one synergism?
Daniel A. Foss
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 17:31:57 -0500
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From: moores7518
Subject: Lee Newman's problems
> obviously he hasn't been around here as long as I have, you guys allseem
> to be envolved in a power struggle, instead of the discussion thatshould
> be going on.
There's no struggle, damn it, those of us that Have all the power arealready
shitting down your throats while you're banging your head against your wall
looking for a new of thinking. "Here, new way of thinking, c'mere, new way,
here, boy!" Gimme a break. Nothing personal, of course. I like you thesame
way I like everyone around here, Lee, which is to say, I wish most of youwere
Foss.
> Is there such a thing anymore as new ways of thinking, you
> guys seem to not be to concerned with that, instead you go aroundproducing
> a quite fuedal government and completely staying away from any issuesthat
> might casue real dischord in the group
The correct spelling of "fuedal" is in fact "get lost," Lee. I'm onlysaying
that because Merciful left. He woulda whipped you good, but I believe in
giving everyone a chance, even speed freaks. Which is not to say that you,
Lee, are a speed freak. I like to talk about several dozen non-relatedthings
all at once, including melba toast, and I consider *that* a new way of
thinking, except, sakes alive, I'm the one only doing it right now. Whatwas
the question? One of the primary *old* ways of thinking is making trash outof
those who aren't on the big Easter Egg Hunt for yer *new* ways of thinking,
which are, in fact, spelled "Leri," only I'm not telling you how to getcable
just yet, because I believe one should learn how to ride a bike beforepissing
on me when I'm not looking.
> Where the hell are these "New ways of thinking"?
Ah, yes. We hid 'em all behind the couch in case our parents came over.
Your pal,
Scotto, Fuedal Lord Extroardiniare
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 22:05:39 -0600
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From: zeek <zeek>
Subject: grammer.
In-Reply-To: <9311160649.AA10866@ > from "Lee Newman" at Nov
16, 93 01:47:43 am
-Lee,
*> >If I were a teacher I'd tellya to quite using that funny cercaword.
*>
*> First of all, your grammer isn't too good, shouldn't that be quit?Second,
*> what circa word are you talking about?
My grammer is fine -Lee, its my spells that are bad.
-z
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 02:15:10 -0600
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From: zeek <zeek>
Subject: death.
death <death@bongo.cc.utexas.edu>
The purpose of this forum
The purpose of this forum is to explore the meanings, the notions
of death and dying from cultural, religious, political, historical,
and personal perspectives. To gather life in the exchange of
words, of death. To gather death in the exchange of words, of
life. To grace a stage with words, to sound a chant, to make a
dance of life and death. The purpose of this forum is to explore
the purpose of this forum.
There may be no better place
There may be no better place or space to discuss this act of death.
It may be that Out Here, we are the closest to death in living. It
may be that Out Here, we are the closest to life in dying. There
may be no better place or space to discuss this act of life.
A single definition we hope, is not to be found
A single definition we hope, is not to be found, your insights and
knowledge are welcome here, yet be aware this is not exclusively an
academic forum, discussions may be intense...
The subject matter may bring
The subject matter may bring those in search of death. We ask that
you approach one another with care and caution.
If you wish to join
If you wish to join the living in death and the dying in life
please send a message:
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"subscribe death"
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Thank you,
-zeek
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From: An American Prayer
They are waiting-to-take-us
into the severed garden.
Do you know how pale,
wanton and fearful comes death
in a strange hour?
Unannounced unplanned for.
Like a scaring-over-friendly guest
You've brought to bed.
Death makes angels of us all
and gives us wings where we
once had shoulders
smooth as ravens claws.
No more money
No more fancy dress
This other kingdom seems
by far the best.
And loose obedience
to a vegetable law.
I will not go.
Prefer a feast of friends
to the giant family.
-Jim Morrison
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 00:01:07 -0500
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From: moores7518
Subject: More of Lee's problems
> do any meaningful conversations ever go on in this list, or is all this
> leadership shit a normal thing? Or is this just a political problem of
> the times, if so I elect myself just to make the rule that no one else
> can be ruler so we can get down to business.
>
> -Lee
I don't have a joke here; I just like spitting up Lee's posts for y'all incase
you missed their shining brilliance the first time around. Yeehah!
Your pal,
Scotto, Meaningful Conversation Dept.
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 09:06:03 -0500
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From: 00bcpalmer
Subject: Re: The Final Solution
irony minus sociolinguistic/philosophical underpinning equals
FNORD-L
the neurons are firing, but nobody's home! Ciao, Au Revoir...
[end of notes on FNORD-L experiment]
-- b [h] p, esq.
and the proof is a breeze!!!
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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 14:37:35 EDT
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From: EJ Fnord <EJFORD>
Subject: Grammar and Style
My spelling is bad. Sometimes I tend to wander from the subject at
hand. Often, my posts are too brief and clearly open to scrutiny on
the grounds that they are shallow in content.
If I may, all of these are excellent reasons to criticize my posts
and excellent reasons not to read them.
I mention this because the failings of my posts, and my awareness of
them, should be seen as an example to the rest of you bums. Look:
The use of colloquial or idiomatic language can be a wonderful way to
illustrate a point.
BUT THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE ANYONE FROM WRITING POORLY.
Concentrate on what you write. Reread the post before you send it.
I don't give a flying fuck who posts what or why. If you want to
disagree with someone, fine. If the material is unreadable, however,
as many of the recent posts have been, no one will read it even if it
was the most inciteful observation you have ever made. I cannot
stress the important role of humor in the readability equation.
That's it for me. I am outta here. I will be subscribed to this
list for 24 more hours in order to respond to questions aimed at this
post.
EJ "Thanks. Enjoy the Buffet." Fnord
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 01:46:59 EST
Sender: New Ways of Thinking List <FNORD-L@UBVM.BITNET>
From: "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: roundup of duty justice & sundry unrelated other matters
deb of the desert, dammit, yer absolutely right, it does mean bee. Dovah
means she-bear. Now, please watch in case I get to personal stuff which I
intend for later.
The rest of this, breaching the artificial blood-brain, no, that should
be FNORD-Leri barrier, onaccounta the temporal [loeb][*] coincidence of both
FNORD and Leri articulating the deathwish, goes to both and to zeek, becuz
he's connected to both FNORD and Leri in such wise as to make it happen; and
aswell to death@somethingorother.com, wherefor he put a commercial on the
air I forget where.
FNORD, it's objectively necessary that it die. Won't repeat myself.Expire
it. This is my own judgment, independently arrived at. There is noconspiracy.
We know your kind. I don't mean THOSE THEM, who are plotting against you,who
accused me of selling out. Defiling the sacred memory of unohu. No, I can't
do conspiratorial Thingies because the Other Them, the generalized Them,will
catch me every time. "The essential Paranoids, the core of the ParanoidRace,
have never left anything behind which might have been used against them in
court." That's why the Americas and so many other places of temporaryParanoid
refuge, all discovered by Paranoids thousands of years before the first
Normals, were declared Uninhabited, in the official sense, when the first
Normals made like they owned the place. Tell the truth at all times; know
nothing they can torture me for before they kill me; that's the Tree ofLife.
That's as Fnordy as I ever got; never could get real yekhkhy like I oughta
have, couldn't be Normal, with all the skills of good clean disgustingness
that all young Normals have. Couln't really conform, but so much less need
to than at *gooey-icky* Leri.
zeek, it would be your, I can't say, "duty," I can only say, zeek, if
you have any consistency? no, logic? no, authenticity? a thousand times
no in these postmodern times, ah, zeekness to you, you know, FNORD must
go, FNORD delendum [?] est. Kill it, zeek, because it's no longer alive.
It said as much.
[gaaaaa...so tired, can't distinguish "nuotropic" from "neutopia," this
is for zeek and scotto, not that i care...]
I tried, though, made a fool of myself trying to learn to fake kid-
sensibility. And gooey-ickiness. But elizabeth, the other speedfreak
degenerate, had no such compunctions, nor about gooey-icky, neither.
"*Fake a positive attitude, and the world fakes with you*!" Now, finally,
in her final stages of psychosis prior to recommitment for substance
abuse disorder, which I alone of you accused her of, and which is the
*only* charge she hasn't denied, takes one to know one, hah, has got
near exclusive attention with psychotic babble worse than what I put
on the air, with people trying to argue, get this, argue *rationally*
with someone that far gone, talk her out of phony exhibitionistic suicide.
All thanks to conformity, as guided by principled conformism. Such as
sex. Nothing in sex for her; once you have sunk to the shoppingbaglady
level, anyone who wants you has gotta be so Inferior you can't afford to
get caught dead in public in the company of Inferiority that Inferior,
onnacounta the hypergamy-hypogamy rule, sez, woman's gotta be even more
Inferior than man she With. Who what how you have sex, whut in united states
of armenia is called Sexuality, is constituted by socioeconomic status, so
I know I don't have chips, I'm outta the game, my tough luck.
So what I tried to keep it as, was professional rivalry. How dare that
old hag, what's the derogatory term for an, ah, in yiddish, it's *alte
kaker*, that's me, a male analogue of an old hag, let's take that sentence
from the top, how dare that old hag profit by fakery, which is lies, I don't
distinguish between any kind of pretense and lies, such as Gerold Firl's
good manners and appropriate behavior is lies, *because I can't do it*,
profit by fakery in the coin of mass attention from the Leri cast ofthousands,
when I don't get **** offa disdaining pretense. Making a virtue ofnecessity,
of course. I can't do it, or I'd lie, cheat, steal, as Normal people are
expected to have the social skills to do. Again, conformity pays, and Leri
or FNORD, couldn't do it, especially after my sense of humor went.
zeek, deb of the desert, a horrible thing happened to me last summer,which
sent me into a tailspin, with a scary mysogyny appearing because of thenature
of the horrible thing, and the mysogyny scared me but I didn't show it much,
except in the odd personal letter, such as one I sent to deb, but the worst
Thingie was, my *identity* disappeared altogether. How could I be whatpeople
said and warned other people I was *and* I could also keep up myintellectual
fantasies?
Got no use for the higher things no more. Stomping elizabeth is what I do
for sport now. The mysogyny, actually, has abated. It's her Inferiority, cuz
I wuz feelin' gotta *get someThing*, an organism so Inferior even I could do
it in, whaddaphock izonly e-mail, no more ideas, no more thinking, no more
phony intellectual showoffery, I am the lowest possible scum or the horrible
thing couldnotta happened. Or the prior horrible thing, in the Pol Scilounge,
when Them was watching me, and I was complacent spozing nobody noticed.
zeek, I'm no longer, got left not even faintest trace of, what you wanted
to meet in December. No politics, just low scummery. This horrible thinglast
summer, and the horrible thing before that, and it finished me, quitefrankly.
As something was bound to do, because it was very likely that if they were
gonna have a classical sociological panic and scapegoat, by smear and
stereotype, some Suspicious-looking scumbum in the community, it was gonna
be me. There was Fear. There were Rules made, which nobody told me what they
were. There was sisterhood solidarity, victim support services in readiness
to anticipatorily protect any woman at all in the community from what I was
no telling what he's likely to do to her, if I asked a woman time of day
was Stalking, hard to believe, obvious delusional material, but got told
to my face. Didn't start with Joel Rifkin, just more intense thereafter.
For a year before that, since Staring at Women in the Pol Sci lounge, it
has been very heavy. For a boy with low stress tolerance.
And I am physically sick. Emphysema getting worse, interacting withoriginal
cerebral palsy, can't move body, not suicidal, you understand, won't stop
smoking. What else is there. Ah, wallowing in self-pity. No good at thateither
cuz can't find the words no more.
In the name of justice, zeek, Leri deserves to die, grant its wish.
Daniel A. Foss
[*] as in leopold-loeb, the serial killers, this is long island, remember.
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:21:48 EDT
Sender: New Ways of Thinking List <FNORD-L@UBVM.BITNET>
From: EJ Fnord <EJFORD>
Subject: Re: bye
As a clarification: Many of the people who have left this list
recently and have been described as non-"twentysomethings" are, in
fact, in their twenties, chronologically speaking.
The difference between them (er, me) and you is unrelated to age-
based prejudice.
And if anyone comes near me, so help me God, I'll personally cut
their scrotum off with a sap-covered chain-saw. Um, women will get
other bits cut off.
EJ Fnord,
President and Chairman of the Board, (Ret.)
Fnord Fnoundation
PS: Zeke, MARS, I'll talk to you later. Shut the lights off in my
cubicle for me, would you? Oh, and let Hermie out of the hamper in a
while, OK?
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 11:21:14 EST
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From: AP <LIBALP>
Subject: How empty the room is without him
By "him", of course, I do not mean "me".
Farewell, Fnord-L, or however you care to fare. This was home, once
upon a time, a place where everyone's fridge was fair game, and
no one's locker combination was secret. I didn't intend to hang around
and try to have the last word; indeed, I didn't plan to have any
word at all.
Good luck in your collective attempt to make this place more like
every other place; it's safer and more familiar that way. None of
that nasty paranoia business. Neurotically speaking, there's more
than one fish to be thrown. Claims of brilliance withheld are always
a good tack; I never had the nerve to try it myself, since I read
in a book once that behavior of that kind betrays one's oral-fixated
character type, and I was afraid someone else might have read the same book.
(Tell me, Lee, how do you like being a tit-man?)
Let's say you move out of a house so that it can be condemned.
You miss it, you feel nostalgic, but you still know that it's
a dump that should be torn down. And since the holes in the walls
were made by your hands, you can't complain anyway. Plus, it's haunted.
Fires set in memory of. Make it nuclear-electronic, and save me the ashes.
ap
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 14:42:14 EST
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From: "Daniel A. Foss" <DFOSS@CCVM.SUNYSB.EDU>
Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook
Subject: no arthur parker timing is wrong
Arthur, may I suggest that we all time our respective departures for
between zero and sixty seconds of the expiry of the FNORD list itself, that
we all more or less go togethter when, imminently, we go. If retaliatory
action be necessary, as it may well be, given the reported - by you - if
as yet unconfirmed - by me as I'd insist on viewing the corpse to point of
exhumation whereupon the pit dug i leap giggly therein yelling *fooldja* -
mortal death of a writer of such Undiscovered Greatness, no joke, that
"now he belongs to the dissertaitions," a man who did what, had Ithoughtuvit,
I'daneverdunnit: Let the minute interval in question serve as his e-minuite
of e-silence.
Think ye on't.
FNORD must die; zeek of all userids must know, or has no business on the
<death@bongo.cc.utexas.edu> list, or they're all just kevorking aroundover
there. Even a Retard who would write crap for the Holy Scripture Committee
about a "time to die" can figure, FNORDishly speaking, this is it. Only
tad less Retarded myself, even I know. Let us, Arthur Parker, you and I,
go to the funeral in somber black for the departed - if it's true and
you know *stays* true - human alluded to above, albeit we thereafter
abstain from Sevices at FNORD graveside.
Daniel A. Foss
ELECTRICITY IS POWER
Pull the plug!
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 21:47:44 -0500
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From: 00bcpalmer
Subject: Stone from the Whispering Knights
This is my 100th and final posting to FNORD-L. I'll so you in alt.sumeria.
Yes, Lester, that would seem to be exactly what it means: the story I heard
was that an English occultist climbed the fence, removed a small fragment
of the fallen and broken capstone of the Whispering Knights (a dolmen) and
gave it to an American initiate to take back to America for his group.
As to whether the Rollright Stones and the Whispering Knights are privately
or publically owned, or have been legally declared to be any sort of monu-
ment or national treasure, I couldn't say.
Brent Clark <Pollux> Palmer
Assyriologist and Student of Origins
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 22:08:10 -0600
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From: zeek <zeek>
Subject: We wish we could identify the rebels of tomorrow and tell youhow
they will do it. We do not have the slightest idea.
Sorry Daniel, Leri and FNORD must die a natural death. Explanation
follows.
As I've spent the past two years playing raggity-tag/ping-pong on various
lists <to name them here would be excessive> experimenting withseveral
userids which allowed for Strange Twists on Gender, Mood, and Style, amethod
much abhorred by Normals with strong relationships with Location
Technologies and other such devices used for the pinning of certain
Individuals. I found my self continually being Chased Down by the
Location-Obsessed, who may have very well been Ai-bots themselves. Quite
tiring to say the least, and the only amphetemine I'm able to cope with is
that of the caffeinated variety. All others cause intolerable paranoia both
on and off The Stage.
During this journey, dashing through the damp, cold copper, sometimes
jaggedly paved glass lines of the internet, I-we likened my-our fragmented
Selves to a failed popstar, lamenting: "I still haven't found what I'm
looking for" <popular Christian song played some 24 hours a day by Holy
American Radiostations during the late eighties, many suspect this "music"
was actually another tool of the Reagan administration psychops division
-viscious squad, since defunct *whew*>. When the Real Truth of the entire
matter, being largely anti-western, that somehow we May Not Be one single
individual, neatly taggable and conveniently able to locate by Government
Officials for the purpose of jailing, nuthousing, and furthering research
for DSM butchers <enthusiasts>. Aside: Any Normal in hir right might
should quickly inquire DSM for the outlined goals and procedures for
professionaly dealing with what is Commonly referred to as "Human Trash",
or more painfully "Psychopath." Also graced within the text are
recommendations of the Ann Landers category, otherwise deemed "appropriate
behavioR." Highly recommended reading for those aspiring that so-called
...awww I forget whatitwuz, I fell asleep during the pledge of allegiance.
So it happens various rumors of Leri-L were drifting and I quickly
inquired by sending quick notes to leri-request@gossip.pyramid.com while
my annoying colleagues that summer did ask "Why Metaprogramming?" But my
spawning interest in cryptography aside, it was there, Leri at gossip,
that I first met Daniel Foss, obscured by riddled text, the subject of his
writing "Almost exactly what I said in that first meme thingie to .rez and
zeek." Such radical prose I thought, compared to the lot of writings
encountered. It was then, the Foss obsession evolved.
Admittedly the initial interest was out of novelty, because you gottab
careful when dealing with authors that entitle such texts as _Freak
Culture_ and _Beyond Revolution_. But hang on, I didn't discover that
part yet, that was later in life. right.
The novelty quickly passed Daniel, as your letters were more frequent,
intense, inanycase flamboyant. Lines that puzzled me often, line upon
line discovered, in-between each line. Ever read Haraway Daniel?
Well, sometimes I forget about your indifferences with the feminists...
give her a chance, it's called Cyborg Manifesto or something like that.
It was some quiet evening in the library PCL that some letter
somehow wandered into /uzr/z/zeek/zinbox, this time anent Subject:
Existence of Daniel A. Foss and From: steve_maack@qmbridge.calstate.edu
It took a swift slap in the retina to surface the possiblity that a)
Daniel A. Foss was *not* real b) Daniel A. Foss was *real* but consisted
of several individuals using the same userid or c) The existence of Daniel
A. Foss was not to be questioned. It seems the Location Doctrine
mentioned above was being passed around like LSD at a Hendrix gig, yet
having a remarkably different impact on Human Social BehavioUr <I guess
they spell that without a u, in some places>.
At that moment I telnetted to utcat.utexas.edu port 74 <I think...
it's a VM system so the ports change whenever one person, questionably
human, decides to changem>. I did enter "author Foss, Daniel", and to my
quiet surprise I discovered the two texts mentioned somewhere above.
It surely didn't take long for this kid to realize, author Foss, Daniel =
DFOSS@CCVM.sunysb.edu
Reasons Daniel, for me not to snuff Leri and FNORD are grise in the text
you did read, and possibly evenmoreso in the text below.
Last note <Do not read if your name is not Daniel Foss, thanks>:
Your health concerns me Daniel, it concerns others with whom I maintain
private correspondence with. People Out Here ask about you from time to
time, wondering "Where is that Foss?!" You've seemed frisky lately
though, and that is a Good Sign.
All gibberishbabble aside: I think you like joining us because of the
Social Freedoms Out Here are greater than in "the real Normal world." Nobody
gets pushed off this Stage and rightfully, nobody should goshdarnit. Nor
should The Stage be removed, privatized, elitistized, or burned down.
Don't Ask me or ask me to snuff it Daniel, it may be our only hope of
experiencing a walk in Public Park, where Normals can be Normals,
neutopias can be neutopias, Doggies can be Doggies, and Freaks can be so.
It may be within my power to Destroy, but I'm suretheheck notgonna do it.
The Leri@Con festival will be held July 22-24, 1994, the 24th being 2 days
before your 54th birthday. I hope that you will join us. If not, then
some of us will be buying grey dog tickets to Stony Brook.
We Love you Daniel.
end
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 00:42:51 -0600
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From: El Zeek <zeek>
Subject: Re: "Output of your job "FNORD-L""
In-Reply-To: <9311190625.AA16303@ > from "The Filter of zeek " at Nov19, 93 00:25:19 am
*> Your message dated Thu, 18 Nov 1993 22:08:10 -0600 with subject "We wishwe
*> could identify the rebels of tomorrow and tell you how they will do it.We
*> do not have the slightest idea." was successfully distributed tolist
*> FNORD-L.
Thank you.
I've got much work to do these next few weeks as deadlines approach, 1994,
phone calls from publishers, job sucks, etc. So that's really about it
for the year kids. It wuz fun, I had a good time, maybe again some other
day, etc. But for now, zeek's gotta buckle down, all that mail labeled
Bulk in /uzr/z/zeek/zinbox may just hafta be zipped up and stored away on
floppidisk.
Do bear in mind that although my contributions may be scarce, I have been
given strict orders <from the agency> to keep a close eye <haha> onthe
remains of this FNORD wasteland.
If you thought things were tough for the unruly then...
-z
<Nasty,Brutish, and Short>
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